としては [としては] (toshiteha)
Example: For japanese steak, this is pretty tasty.
JLPT Level: 2
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|toshiteha always follows a noun, whereas warini can be used after a noun or adjective|
noun + toshite ha
noun + no wari ni
for a teacher, he is young
adj + warini
for the expensive price, it wasnt very tasty
cannot use toshiteha after adjective
|toshiteha and warini imply that something is odd or unexpected. toshite and nitotte do not really have such an implication.|
For Toshiyuki, he is good at math.
としては implies, perhaps, that Toshiyuki is usually bad at any academics, so it is odd that he is good at math. So the meaning might be, "for someone as stupid as Toshiyuki, it's amazing that he's actually good at math."
For Toshiyuki, he is good at math.
にとって implies that Toshiyuki is normally good at math. So the meaning might be, "Toshiyuki is good at math, but we kinda all knew that already."
|＊This is a compound particle which indicates a standard for comparisons.|
Ｎ + としては
＊Be careful! として (toshite) has a different connotation. See that entry for more.
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|dc||is this different from toshite, or just toshite + ha ?|| |
|dc||do these have any subtlety of different meaning?|
|bamboo4||I don't think so, and は is added as a selective emphasis. However, one would not normally hear the first sentence and the second is common. |
|gtunak85||It seems like としては and 割りに imply something odd and conflicting, opposed to normal statements toshite and nitotte. For example, in the examples, a teacher is expected to be older, an expensive food is expected to be tasty, and a student who is only first year isn't expected to be so good. toshite and nitotte's examples do not imply something odd.|| |
|dc||that seems like a good explanation, thanks!|
can you add it to the notes field at the top?
|Tori||I'm sorry to say but the は in this grammar form is the particle wa. In romnji it should be wa. Sorry. By the way, this is my first time on this site and so far I love it. || |
|blabby||In Hepburn Ro-maji (ヘボン式ローマ字), the general consensus is that the particle は is written as "ha", even though the English pronunciation is more like a "wa". e.g. watashi ha blabby desu.|| |
|Tori||I see...|| |
|Rafal||Actually that is not true, if we follow the Hepburn romanization system the particle は should be written as "wa", see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepburn_romanization .|| |
|karekora||writting it as 'wa' would be too confusing, as it is written as は in japanese not わ wa.|| |
|tigert||I don`t know about hepburn ro-maji/ romanji system or anything that complicated, but it seems that japanese people use the ha when they type in romanji, so I think it is best to follow in their example. if you confused by a ha in a place that it doesn`t make sense then your probably looking at the は particle. if you use wa in your emails to japanese friends you soon find that they don`t understand what your talking about. Japanese isn`t as mistake friendly as English. || |
I think that for 先生としては、若いです, this sentence places more emphasis on particle は。 in a sense, it focuses on the contradiction that even though the person is a teacher, they're still young.
compare to 先生として若いです, that implied contrast and comparison from particle は is lost and so we don't have that sort of connotation in this sentence. but as bamboo4さん said, this sentence wouldn't really be heard and if you think about it doesn't make much sense. if 先生として can be translated as "in their role as a teacher" what does anything about them being young have to do with their role if we use this grammar?
|Celesta||With regard to the discussion about how to spell は in romaji, can I just add one point: since we are here studying the language, the key requirement is for all readers to be able to determine which は is ha and which は is wa, and to learn the right way of using the expressions. What is polite or traditional in emails etc is less relevant. Who would write emails in romaji anyway??|| |
|laser2302||うちは豚肉はおいていないんだよ - Can anyone please tell me in this sentence what does は (coming after 豚肉) means? || |
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